3135: Do What You Hate to Do What You Love by Chris Reining on Financial Independence
Optimal Finance DailyMay 08, 2025
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3135: Do What You Hate to Do What You Love by Chris Reining on Financial Independence

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Episode 3135:

Chris Reining challenges the popular career advice to "do what you love" by showing how it's often wiser, and more sustainable, to do what you hate so that you can eventually afford the freedom to pursue what you love. With humor and insight, he illustrates how financial independence is really about creating options, not chasing passions that can’t pay the bills.

Read along with the original article(s) here: https://chrisreining.com/hate-love/

Quotes to ponder:

"Do what you hate to do what you love."

"Financial independence isn’t about having money it’s about having options."

"The most dangerous thing I see people do is quit their job to do what they love."

Episode references:

Architectural Digest: https://www.architecturaldigest.com/

So Good They Can’t Ignore You: https://www.calnewport.com/books/so-good/

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[00:02:18] And then you tell yourself not to forget about it, but when you wake up, you remember you were going to remember something, but you can't remember what it was. And bus is simply a metaphor for travel. I had the idea for this article while on a walk because I remembered my high school guidance counselor saying, Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life. I bet you've got that advice at some point in your life. Maybe you've even given it.

[00:02:46] But doing what you love is one of the worst pieces of career advice. Because doing what you love doesn't pay the bills. A job pays the bills. So please don't quit your job to be a yoga teacher. People hate their job and love going to yoga. So logically, it makes sense that if they were a full-time yoga teacher, then they could pay their bills while doing what they love. And I love yoga just like everyone else.

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[00:04:11] He's doing what he hates to do what he loves. Once he reaches financial independence, he can do whatever he wants to. Because financial independence isn't about having money. It's about having options. Plus, we all have 16 hours in a day. That means you can spend 8 hours at some job you hate to pay your bills, and 8 hours doing whatever it is you love. It's like Sarah Blakely. She spent 7 years selling fax machines door-to-door while developing Spanx at night.

[00:04:40] Think about that. It was only 2 weeks before Spanx was going on Oprah that she quit her job. Sometimes you have to do what you hate to do what you love. The most dangerous thing I see people do is quit their job to do what they love. I think that's bonkers when you can just do both. It's what I tell people all the time. If you start earning enough money doing what you love to cover your bills, then quit. But then you have to ask yourself, Do I want to turn what I love doing into a job?

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[00:09:24] Have a great rest of your day, and I'll be back tomorrow as usual where your optimal life awaits.