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Episode 3664:
Darrow Kirkpatrick explains why most retirement calculators give you a false sense of precision. He walks through the flaws in steady-growth math, Monte Carlo simulations, and history-based models, including how the sequence of returns can sink a portfolio whose average return looks perfectly fine. His takeaway for anyone investing toward retirement is to treat a calculator as a direction indicator rather than a prediction.
Read along with the original article(s) here: https://www.caniretireyet.com/why-most-retirement-calculators-dont-work/
Quotes to ponder:
"Most retirement calculators are broken."
"History might rhyme, but it doesn't precisely repeat itself."
"In the end, no retirement calculator can predict the future. All it can tell you is which direction you're headed."
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[00:01:22] Why Most Retirement Calculators Don't Work by Darrell Kirkpatrick of CanIRetireYet.com. Most retirement calculators are broken. It's not that the user interfaces are confusing or the inputs are rigid and lacking or that they have bugs, though many share those failings. No, the problems with most retirement calculators are theoretical and go much deeper.
[00:01:48] Let's start with some simple division. Say you're retiring at age 65. You've saved $500,000 in your 401k and you need about $30,000 a year to live on in addition to your pension or social security. These aren't made-up numbers. Feel free to use your own. So we divide $500,000 by $30,000 a year and see that your money will last about 17 years until you're age 82.
[00:02:17] That simplistic analysis sounds a little tight. What if you live longer? Maybe we can refine the analysis. Haven't stocks averaged about 10% growth annually? So let's put in a growth factor. $500,000 growing at 10% annually, that's $50,000 a year in income. With only $30,000 a year in living expenses, your portfolio will last forever. That's awesome.
[00:02:47] It's also still wrong. For starters, we forgot about inflation. Call that 3.5%, a bit more than the historical average considering what the government is up to right now. We'll be lucky if it's not worse. We also forgot that your whole portfolio probably isn't in stocks growing at 10%. Let's say your combined portfolio of stocks and bonds grows at 7.5% annually.
[00:03:13] Expecting such growth rates going forward is probably delusional, but that's another discussion. So let's run those numbers again. $500,000 growing at 7.5% minus 3.5% annually, 4% real return, less $30,000 a year in living expenses. Okay, that lasts about 28 years getting you into your early 90s from age 65.
[00:03:39] As long as none of your forebears were centenarians, you'll probably be all right. Or will you? As we'll soon see, this simple, familiar kind of calculation gives you a bit of insight into where you stand financially today. But it tells you virtually nothing about what will happen in the future. Even though this is essentially the same calculation you'll find performed in the majority of the available retirement calculators,
[00:04:06] it is terribly flawed as a predictive tool. There are many reasons, but let's start with this one. It completely ignores the sequence of returns. It assumes that average returns are all that matter. They aren't. They aren't. You can still drown in a lake whose average depth is 4 feet. And you can run out of money in a stock market that averages 10% annually, if those returns don't come until too late in your retirement.
[00:04:35] Most standard retirement calculators assume steady growth rates, year in and year out. But that's not how the economy or your money works. When you are adding to, and especially when you are withdrawing from, a portfolio, deeper analysis shows that you will wind up with dramatically different sums depending on the order in which returns or losses accumulate. Some calculators try to model the fluctuations of the markets
[00:05:03] by incorporating Monte Carlo simulations into their calculations. The name is a reference to the famous European casino. These simulations require you to input a range of possible values for every parameter, inflation, investment returns, and so on. The calculator then proceeds to combine these parameters into hundreds, thousands, even millions of random variations. Surely that will cover all the possibilities.
[00:05:32] Well, the output data is definitely impressive. You may have seen one of the resulting net worth versus time graphs bursting with scenario lines, a veritable financial medusa. Now these Monte Carlo simulations do have some value in showing you the outlying envelope of possible pads to your future. But the verbosity hides a fatal flaw. The vast majority of those pads are very unlikely.
[00:06:00] It turns out that markets aren't actually completely random. And the randomness they do exhibit is not the normal Gaussian randomness most often used in Monte Carlo calculators. Markets usually operate in cycles of varying lengths. Unpredictable at first, but eventually recognizable. So stacking a bunch of totally random factors on top of each other doesn't make for an accurate simulation. The fatal flaw with these calculators then is that
[00:06:30] they introduce too much randomness, ignoring long-term trends. So if steady growth and Monte Carlo-based calculators are misleading, what about using actual market history? Some leading financial thinkers have argued that this is the most realistic way to simulate retirements. After all, if your portfolio could have survived every single historical event of the past 100 years,
[00:06:56] shouldn't you be able to sleep easy about your upcoming 30 to 40-year retirement? FireCalc has popularized this approach, and it has many strong adherents because of the generally conservative results. An approach to retirement planning based on market history is compelling and better than many of the alternatives, but it still has serious flaws. Number one, it assumes that the future will be like the past.
[00:07:24] And number two, it ignores current market valuations. History might rhyme, but it doesn't precisely repeat itself. If we have no other choice, we can plan based on past experience, but somewhere deep inside, we know that the future will turn out differently. The modern world with its complex technological, financial, and social systems
[00:07:49] has the potential for great prosperity or for great disaster. Who can really say we've already seen the best or worst of it? Practically speaking, if you're going to predict the future based on the past, you should at least take into account your starting point. And that's why market valuations matter. Researcher Wade Pfau has used historical return data to show that safe withdrawal rates for portfolios
[00:08:18] are highly correlated to the level of the stock market at the time of retirement. Given the current, historically unprecedented economic conditions, he has suggested using bond and stock returns that are 2-3% lower than past averages. So that's it. We've seen that most common kinds of retirement calculators are flawed in one respect or another. But we shouldn't be so shocked or disappointed.
[00:08:45] In essence, they are all trying to predict the future. And we all know the track record for crystal balls. So what to do about it? You can continue to chase more and more sophisticated calculators. I'll probably do a little of that here. But it will be with a healthy dose of realism. Frankly, I expect those more sophisticated algorithms to converge on the same conservative result. If you want to be absolutely certain you don't run out of money
[00:09:14] over the course of a lengthy retirement, you'd better consume no more than 2-3% of your assets each year early on. In the end, no retirement calculator can predict the future. All it can tell you is which direction you're headed. But the better calculators are worth paying attention to for this reason. They'll give you enough warning to make course corrections before you drive over a cliff. Run out of money, that is.
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[00:12:39] A couple of bad market years early on can really change things, even if the long-run average looks just fine. And I think that's important to know. These tools look precise. All those charts and thousands of simulations. But underneath, they're really just guessing at the future. And none of us can actually do that. If we could, we'd all be rich. And I liked what he said.
[00:13:06] A calculator can't tell you exactly where you'll land. And it can only tell you which direction you're pointed. And that's still really useful because it gives you time to course correct before things get really bad. For me, that fits how I think about money in general. It's less a problem you solve once and more something you keep checking over and over. I've been using these daily reminders for years now, and there's no real finish line,
[00:13:34] something we hear often over on Optimal Living Daily. So maybe don't chase the perfect calculator. Just try one now and then. Notice the direction and change direction a little if you need to. So thank you to Darrow for this one. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you for being here. And I'll see you tomorrow where your optimal life awaits. And I'll see you tomorrow. Peace. Peace. Peace. Thank you.




