3735: The Power of Quitting by The Mad Fientist on Financial Independence
Optimal Finance DailyOctober 15, 2026
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3735: The Power of Quitting by The Mad Fientist on Financial Independence

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Episode 3735:

The Mad Fientist shares how telling his bosses he was leaving repeatedly led to offers to keep working remotely, often at significantly higher pay. He explains how having enough savings to not need a job gives you the courage to quit, and how that leverage can speed up your path to financial independence by helping you negotiate better terms or find a better role.

Read along with the original article(s) here: https://www.madfientist.com/power-of-quitting/

Quotes to ponder:

"I realize remote working may not be an option for all of you but the important thing to take away from this story is that having the courage to quit provides opportunities you may not even know exist."

"The best way to get that courage is to have enough money saved up to not need the job (even if only for a few months/years)."

"There's no risk in applying for a new job every once in a while and only good things can come from it."

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[00:01:00] This is Optimal Finance Daily, The Power of Quitting by The Mad Fientist of Madfiantist.com. And I'm Justin Malek. Welcome to one of the only podcasts in the world where articles are narrated to you for free with permission from the authors. So with that, let's get right to it as we optimize your life. The Power of Quitting by TheMadfiantist of Madfiantist.com.

[00:01:30] I was nervous when I walked into the meeting room with my boss. Breaking up is never easy to do, even when you are the one doing the breaking up. On my journey to financial independence, I sometimes dreamt about the day I would be able to walk into my boss's office and quit. On particularly bad days at work, I would think about all the things I would say and that would make the hard times easier to get through.

[00:01:54] As I sat there, though, chatting nervously about work, I mainly thought about the good things about my job. It's amazing how you're able to see something in a different light when you don't feel trapped by it. Yet another unadvertised benefit of pursuing FI, I guess. Finally, after enough procrastination, I just came out with it. I'm moving to Scotland.

[00:02:18] My boss was obviously shocked, but the first words that came out of his mouth actually surprised me. Would you consider staying on remotely? Not the first time. Although I was surprised that this particular boss asked me to stay on remotely, this is not the first time this has happened. I started my career in Scotland, and when my girlfriend, who is now my wife, and I decided to move to the States, I handed in my resignation.

[00:02:46] Shortly after, I received an email asking if I'd stay on remotely at a roughly 20% higher pay rate. When I worked in Scotland, I would have had to beg and plead to squeeze out an extra 1% at my annual review. But here, they were giving me a 20% bump to work in my boxers and a t-shirt? I obviously accepted and worked happily like that for over a year. Not even the second time.

[00:03:15] This is actually not even the second time this has happened. I got the second job in my career through a technical recruiter in downtown Boston. After working with a particular client for a while, I asked the recruiting firm for a raise, and they said they had to fight hard to get me a roughly 4% increase.

[00:03:35] When I left Boston to move to Vermont, I was contacted by the client I worked for and was asked to work remotely full-time for over 50% more than I was making when I had to commute into the office every day. It gets even better. After working in a cabin in the woods of Vermont for a while, I started to go a bit crazy, so I decided to apply for a job at the university that was close by so that I could get a free Ivy League degree.

[00:04:02] When I told my Boston boss I got another job, she instantly bumped my pay another roughly 20% to try to persuade me to stay even longer. Why am I telling you this? I realize remote working may not be an option for all of you, but the important thing to take away from this story is that having the courage to quit provides opportunities you may not even know exist.

[00:04:30] The best way to get that courage is to have enough money saved up to not need the job, even if only for a few months or years. When I worked at my Scotland job, I would have never imagined that remote working was possible and that I would be able to get a roughly 20% raise. Had I just asked my bosses for either of those things, they would have laughed me out of the office.

[00:04:54] When I confronted my bosses with the option of either going through the hiring process again and rolling the dice with someone new, or offering me a more attractive work arrangement to keep me on, it was a no-brainer for them. Speed up your journey to financial independence. How can you use this to get to FI quicker? You should work hard at your job, become a valuable employee, and then after a few years, apply for some other jobs.

[00:05:23] There's no risk in applying for a new job every once in a while, and only good things can come from it. You'll either find another job that pays more or is more enjoyable, or you could use the new job offer to negotiate better terms at your current job. How did I respond? The option to work remotely at my current job is actually very enticing.

[00:05:48] I'll be able to continue doing something I enjoy, programming, while leaving behind all of the things I don't. Meetings, commuting, being trapped from 9 to 5, limited flexibility, and so on. Since my house still hasn't sold yet, staying on will reduce some stress associated with that, and will allow me to pad my balances a bit more. I know padding my balances a bit more is a slippery slope,

[00:06:16] but I'm confident I'll be able to pull the plug on the remote working arrangement when it's not fun anymore. Also, Mr. Money Mustache's recent post really hit home with me and made me realize that over the past year, I haven't worried about money at all. The market's upward march over the past few years has left me better off than I expected I would be at this stage, so I've felt completely at ease with money and spending.

[00:06:41] For someone who has been saving so aggressively for so long, this is a new but great feeling. Staying on remotely will ensure that that feeling continues, so I just signed the remote agreement yesterday, and as of next Friday, I will leave the office for good, but will still collect paychecks. Speaking of Mr. Money Mustache, I told him about the latest developments and that I wouldn't be joining him in early retirement this month after all. He responded,

[00:07:09] As it always seems to happen in early retirement, things end up even better than forecast. He's absolutely right. You just listened to the post titled, The Power of Quitting by TheMadfiantist of madfiantist.com. I'll be right back with my commentary. Observe the North American dad, 50s, great polo collection.

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[00:08:34] I like that he was willing to stay even after spending all that time imagining the day he'd quit. He could have felt like he had to follow through just because that was the plan. But the offer changed and he gave himself permission to consider it. He still wanted to move to Scotland. That part wasn't up for negotiation. But he liked programming. And now he had an offer that would let him keep doing it without going into the office.

[00:09:01] Accepting that doesn't undo the work he put into becoming financially independent. He'd still get to make the move he wanted. And his boss could have simply wished him well. He was prepared to leave either way. Which is a pretty important part of what happened. So the question I'd take from this is what you actually want to stop doing. Maybe it is the whole job. But in his case, there were parts he wanted to keep.

[00:09:29] And I think it's great that he didn't turn those down just to have the ending he'd imagined. So thank you to the mad scientist. And thank you for being here. Wishing you a wonderful day. And I'll see you tomorrow. Where your optimal life awaits. So thank you. So thank you. So thank you. Thank you.