3147: Deal With Anxiety By Making a "Dread" List by Tonya Lester on Asking For Help
Optimal Relationships DailySeptember 20, 2026
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3147: Deal With Anxiety By Making a "Dread" List by Tonya Lester on Asking For Help

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Episode 3147:

Tonya Lester tells the story of the college transcript problem she avoided for eighteen months, and what finally moved it: writing down every single thing she was dreading, then telling one friend about the biggest one. She explains why avoidance costs more energy than the task itself, and how a supportive person who is not carrying your story about yourself can see a paralyzing problem as the clerical matter it actually is. She closes with the question she puts to clients who insist they should be able to handle it alone: how can I make this easier?

Read along with the original article(s) here: https://www.tonyalester.com/blog/deal-with-anxiety-by-making-a-dread-list

Quotes to ponder:

"Unfinished business creates open loops of anxiety that slowly drain you of energy and contentment, and hurt your ability to focus and be present."

"Long-term avoidance is paradoxically really hard work!"

"At the end of your life, you won't have points detracted based on how many times you had to ask for help."

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[00:00:59] Deal with anxiety by making a dread list by Tonya Lester of TonyaLester.com The fall after I finished college, I moved to New York City to study acting. A year in, life was a blur of acting classes, auditions, and working as an administrative assistant for a scientist.

[00:01:20] One day, I received a call from my former university informing me that I still had an incomplete on my transcript and that if I didn't complete the coursework and get a grade turned in, I might have to retake the course. I assured them I'd look into this, set down the phone, and panic set in. My degree was listed on my resume. Everyone in my life, including my parents who had paid for my education, believed I was a college graduate.

[00:01:48] How could I have let this happen? It affirmed every negative thing I believed about myself. I'm spacey, I'm irresponsible, I'm incompetent. The truth was, while I was pretty spacey, I had turned in all the coursework. I had taken it incomplete because of a family emergency right at the end of the semester, but had turned in the final project two weeks later. The professor hadn't turned in the grade.

[00:02:16] After skipping the graduation ceremony, might I have questioned why I didn't receive my diploma in the mail as expected? Yes. Was it my job to follow up and prod the professor? No question. But I was so paralyzed by my dread around dealing with this, so focused on what it said about my character, that I just shut down and proceeded to do nothing to solve this problem for a year. Okay, 18 months.

[00:02:42] Have you had the experience of avoiding a problem all day, only to stare at the ceiling at night, ruminating and worrying? Have you resolved to take meaningful action on some intractable issue, only to lose your nerve when the time comes, letting another day pass without making the appointment, finishing the task, or having the hard conversation? The truth is, operating this way costs you a lot.

[00:03:07] Unfinished business creates open loops of anxiety that slowly drain you of energy and contentment, and hurt your ability to focus and be present. It also takes a physical toll, either because you're constantly stewing in a low-grade stress response, or because of lack of sleep, or because you use food or alcohol to numb out and quiet your mind. Long-term avoidance is paradoxically really hard work. There is a better way.

[00:03:37] Number one, make a dread list of everything in your life you're avoiding. Take your time with this. Really try to get everything out on the page. There might be one big, bold problem and a few smaller ones, or a whole list of things that make you squirm and cringe. It doesn't matter. You might have leave marriage and make Ikea returns on the same list. Just getting everything out on the page will help you start to feel in control.

[00:04:07] Pick the thing you're going to work on first, either because solving it will have the most impact, or because you can act on it right away. Number two, tell someone supportive what's up. This helps in multiple ways. I often say in therapy, we're shining light in dark places. So often when you finally share your secret, you are met with so much compassion, validation, or even loving bewilderment,

[00:04:34] that the volume of the problem is turned down by 50% just by virtue of saying it out loud. In my case, I finally told my friend Helen, and because a personal narrative of intractable spaciness, irresponsibility, and incompetence didn't distract her, she instantly saw this as a clerical problem, not as evidence of a fundamentally disordered mind. She was legitimately confused about all my hand-wringing around this.

[00:05:02] Seeing the problem and myself through her eyes helped a lot. And number three, ask yourself, how can I make this easier? Almost every day a client says something to me along the lines of, but I should be able to handle this myself, or no one else would struggle so much with this. What's wrong with me? To this, I call bullsh**. At the end of your life, you won't have points detracted based on how many times he had to ask for help.

[00:05:32] The last line of your obituary is not going to read. Sadly, he needed assistance with practically all of this. Can't write your resume? Hire someone to do it for you, or trade resume editing services with a friend. Know you need to do something about your drinking? Talk to a therapist and or look into 12-step or reduction groups in your area. Need to stand up to an unreasonable request from your boss? Call your sister and role-play various scenarios until you feel prepared.

[00:06:02] Never got a driver's license and now you're moving to rural Iowa at age 55? Call the local driver's ed and make an appointment for a lesson. For me, Helen typed up a short professional letter reminding the professor of who I was, detailing our agreement and when the project was turned in, and politely asking her to please turn in the grade. I sent it certified mail. I followed up with a voicemail to let the professor know to expect the letter and planned to call again a week later to follow up.

[00:06:31] But by then, the grade had been turned in and the whole fiasco was over. Should I have been able to write the letter myself? Sure, but part of me was so triggered by this that it had stopped me in my tracks and the letter was simply not getting written on my own. Did Helen's involvement diminish the relief and exhilaration I felt to finally have this solved? Not a bit. I felt relieved, exhilarated, and really grateful to have such a terrific friend.

[00:07:00] What are you avoiding? Who could you talk to about it? How could you make it easier? Make your list now. Ask yourself, how would it feel to have all of these problems solved? Now, go get started. You just listened to the post titled, Deal with Anxiety by Making a Dread List by Tonya Lester of TonyaLester.com And I'll be right back with my commentary.

[00:07:30] Thank you to Tonya. That situation she was in where the university called and said there was an incomplete is like my nightmare. Literally. I have recurring dreams where I'm back in school and somehow didn't do any of the coursework for the whole semester or quarter. And now it's the last week and I'm so far behind. Probably have that dream every few months. But the example is a great one, I think. It really shows how something relatively small

[00:07:58] can turn into such a huge problem when ignored. I really like the quote in there. She said, So often, when you finally share your secret, you're met with so much compassion, validation, or even loving bewilderment, that the volume of the problem is turned down by 50% just by virtue of saying it out loud. I've definitely had that experience where something was completely blown out of proportion

[00:08:28] in my mind. But when I finally said something, it was reduced so much. And the longer that takes, the more of a toll it takes because of that constant bewilderment, anxiety, and so on. So a great one to think about as we go about our day and our weekend. It's already Friday. So with that, have a great rest of your day and start to your weekend. And I'll see you tomorrow as usual, where your optimal life awaits.