4181: Is Reality Objective or Subjective? by Steve Pavlina on Mental Freedom
Optimal Living DailyOctober 07, 2026
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4181: Is Reality Objective or Subjective? by Steve Pavlina on Mental Freedom

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Episode 4181:

Steve Pavlina explains why the question of whether reality is objective or subjective can never be settled from inside a conscious mind, since either kind of reality could be simulating the other. He argues that committing to one answer is the riskier move, and that the more useful approach is to run key decisions through both lenses at once. It is a personal development exercise in holding two perspectives without needing one of them to win.

Read along with the original article(s) here: https://stevepavlina.com/blog/2017/10/is-reality-objective-or-subjective/

Quotes to ponder:

"A subjective reality can simulate an objective one, and vice versa."

"Any event that you can describe objectively will have an equivalent subjective explanation, and vice versa."

"Hence it makes sense to live in alignment with both possibilities."

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[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00] This is Optimal Living Daily. Is reality objective or subjective? By Steve Pavlina of StevePavlina.com. And I'm Justin Malik, reading articles to you every day to help you live a more meaningful and positive life. If we get right to it and start optimizing your life. Is reality objective or subjective? By Steve Pavlina of StevePavlina.com.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00] The benefit of asking the big questions is that sometimes you can use reasoned logic to answer them. There are a few big questions that I've successfully answered to my satisfaction and I don't expect my answers to change with the passage of time. Is reality objective or subjective? One of those big questions is whether this reality is objective or subjective.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00] I eventually understood that the answer is always going to be unknowable when asked from the perspective of a conscious being. Even if I die and remain conscious and aware in some form of afterlife, I still won't know the answer. Even if I somehow live forever and become the most powerful and omnipotent being imaginable, I still won't know. The reason this question cannot ever be answered with a firm yes or no is rather simple.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00] A subjective reality can simulate an objective one and vice versa. So there's no way to know if there's another container of the opposite type, one level below your current reality. If this container effect sounds unlikely, notice that you already experience it when you have a nighttime dream. During such a dream, you're in a subjective world. Your dreamscape is supposedly happening in your imagination.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00] If you believe that your waking world is objective, then your physical brain is doing the dreaming, so there's an objective layer beneath your subjective dream world. Events in that objective world could even interfere with your dream, or they could influence how the dream turns out. Something could happen to your physical body while you're dreaming. Your dream world isn't free and separate from its objective container. Furthermore, the limitations of your physical brain constrain the depths of your subjective dream world simulation.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00] Your dream world is running on physical hardware, the hardware of your brain, and its billions of neurons. On the other hand, if you believe that your waking world is primarily subjective, then you still don't know if there's another objective layer beneath that. Maybe your true nature is that of an objective being dreaming up a subjective story here. But even if you woke up to that reality at some point, such as when you die in this waking reality,

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_00] you still won't know if there's yet another layer below that. Another possibility is that there could be a subjective reality beneath this one, and it's just simulating or dreaming up a seemingly objective reality based on rules and constraints. It's much like having a non-lucid dream at night. If you don't know that you're dreaming, you automatically limit what you can do. But if you become lucid and realize you're dreaming,

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00] you can do many more things in the dream world, such as flying, creating characters, and more. You can change the simulation. If a nighttime dream can so easily fool you into thinking that it's an objective reality, isn't it possible that your waking world is a similar construct? Have you explored the possibility that you might be dreaming right now? If that sounds ludicrous to you, you haven't thought about this deeply enough. Take these questions seriously.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00] They're among the more important questions you could possibly ask as a conscious being. The objective-subjective equivalency principle. Subjective and objective reality are always translatable to each other. They can never actually contradict each other no more than your left eye can contradict your right one. These are two perspectives looking at the same sensory data. You can never hope to prove one perspective, true or false, accurate or inaccurate, correct or incorrect.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00] No such proof either way is possible. Take some time to work through the logic of that if you're still in doubt. For any scenario you concoct, just ask, how would I explain this same scenario if I knew I was dreaming right now? And how would I explain this same scenario if I knew I was in a physical and objective universe right now? Any event that you can describe objectively will have an equivalent subjective explanation and vice versa.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00] It is similar to viewing the world through your left eye versus your right eye. Your eyes don't contradict each other. They just see every scene from different perspectives. If you'll never know whether you're living in an objective or subjective reality, it's foolish to assume that you're living in one or the other since you'd only be guessing, and you could be very wrong. There is no evidence-based way to know the truth. This isn't a problem that any level of science or philosophy can ever hope to resolve.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00] The truth is simply unknowable and it always will be. No conscious being, no matter how powerful and aware, will ever be able to know the true nature of the reality which contains it. Hence, it makes sense to live in alignment with both possibilities. View your key decisions in life through both lenses and lean towards deciding based on the combined perspective of stereo vision. Don't limit yourself to one perspective or the other. Learn to integrate both.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00] When you stray too far into one perspective or another, making decisions from only one perspective in such a way that those same decisions would seem irrational when considered through the opposite lens, you're at risk of making serious errors. You could be basing those decisions on completely erroneous assumptions about how reality actually works, and hence you're at risk of experiencing massive failure with such a mono-lens approach, unless you happen to guess right and be perfectly consistent.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_00] It is possible to make decisions using both lenses. I've been using this approach for years and it has produced a wonderful flow in my life when I'm consistent about it. It is similar to enjoying a meal that stimulates all of your senses simultaneously, a symphony of input. The inherently unknowable nature of reality can be a tough pill to swallow, at least initially. It can send you down the rabbit hole and back many times. But the more you surrender to this simple truth,

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[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00] Thank you to Steve. If you've never explored dreaming deeply, a lot of what he says might sound like he's simply crazy, but I have to comment on that dreaming portion of the article because that's always been a passion and interest of mine. So much so that I actually created a website way back in the day where my friends and I would share our dreams with each other. The dream world is so weird. And what he said is completely true. I've always found it fascinating that the weirdest, most bizarre thing,

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00] even physically impossible things, can happen in a dream, yet we still won't realize we're dreaming. And you might think, well, it's a dream. Obviously you can't realize it. But actually you can. A friend in fifth grade first told me that he realized he was dreaming one time, and then realizing that, he made a conscious decision within the dream that since it's not real, he could start flying. So he did. I thought he was lying, honestly.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00] It just sounded far-fetched and impossible at that age. Years later in college, reading about all this stuff, I realized that not only was it possible, but there are actually people who make careers out of it, doing tests where they become aware in dreams, and it can be proven, and they do studies. It's really cool. And not long after, I had my first of many lucid dreams where I realized I was dreaming and could do physically impossible things. I started floating,

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00] one of the most happy moments I've ever experienced. I can fly, do all sorts of things. And when you do experience something like that, it actually does influence day-to-day life because I was so convinced that it was impossible at first. And when I was dreaming, everything in that moment seemed so real, but the fact is it isn't real, which means possibilities are endless. Way back in episode 50, which was a big milestone for me at the time,

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00] I narrated my own article about lucid dreaming. That's how much I enjoy it, so you can check that out for more. But I'll leave it there for today. Have a great rest of your day, hopefully one with a lucid dream, and I'll be back tomorrow where your optimal life awaits.